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    Application signing for test area users.

    Hi there!

    We should testing for our application<->service pair (application is freeware). So, we don't know IMEI list (because we don't know user-list, there are about 2-3 new users per hour). And there are up to 3 new application versions per day (bugfixes and so on)...

    Application is unstable and users know it (to join this test-area user must sign agreement).

    Application uses system capabilitys (same as SIPExample).

    So, we can't use Open Signed Offline (because we don't know exact IMEI-list), we can't use Express Signed (because new releases it too often and application is not stable). User can't use Open Signed Online, because he can hav't PC and/or internet connection.

    How to sign application in this case?

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    Re: Application signing for test area users.

    Hi,

    if u r not use any capability that's not free, than use self certificate for testing purpose else use developer certificate.

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    Re: Application signing for test area users.

    Quote Originally Posted by savaj View Post
    Hi,

    if u r not use any capability that's not free, than use self certificate for testing purpose else use developer certificate.
    Self certificate did't work -- there are system capabilities.

    Developer certificate is locket to fixed list of IMEI's, is't it?

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    Re: Application signing for test area users.

    Hi,
    Yes you are correct that the developer certificate are locked for IMEIs . But you can have a developer certificate if you know the IMEIs of the phones before hand. But you are saying that the application is tested by new users each time and you dont have the IMEI information before hand then it would be better to go for Symbian signing of your application because what I can make out from your requirement is that your application is already available to the normal user( may be beta testing) but still it is in public so you have to have symbian signing for your application. Thats the whole purpose of Symbian signing before your product or application can be released in market for general public use.
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    Re: Application signing for test area users.

    Valexey, there is no other way as you are thinking of. You have to sign your .sis file with certificate. However I have following suggestions:

    • Apply for Publisher ID and accumulate IMEIs from your users. Once you have list of IMEIs, use OpenSigned Offline for this purpose and sign your application for those IMEIs.
    • Follow incremental approach. Get your application signed from SymbianSigned for each build. You don't have to bother about IMEIs.
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    Re: Application signing for test area users.

    Quote Originally Posted by kiran10182 View Post
    Valexey, there is no other way as you are thinking of. You have to sign your .sis file with certificate. However I have following suggestions:

    • Apply for Publisher ID and accumulate IMEIs from your users. Once you have list of IMEIs, use OpenSigned Offline for this purpose and sign your application for those IMEIs.
    • Follow incremental approach. Get your application signed from SymbianSigned for each build. You don't have to bother about IMEIs.
    Hi,
    Kiran is right in pointing out these facts. For starting go for PublisherID check this link as to how to get the publisher ID
    http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.ph...r_Publisher_ID
    Once you have the publisher ID your life will be much simpler as you can get the certificates for upto 1000 IMEIs which should be sufficient for your testing purpose.
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    Re: Application signing for test area users.

    This is a perfect example of where the Symbian Signed scheme fails completely. I discussed this on my blog with Antony Edwards (VP Developer Marketing at Symbian) but still no progress.

    The solutions suggested here are hopeless - read the original post!

    With 2-3 new users per hour and daily updates to the software there is absolutely no way you can use any of the current signing options if you need more than user grantable capabilities.

    Also, note that even if you could afford to use Express Signing for the application on a daily basis then this still isn't possible as the thing is in beta state - it isn't ready for a full public release and won't meet the test criteria. There needs to be some kind of signing that puts the responsibility in the hands of the user, but makes it clear they're installing software that isn't production quality.

    Open Signed Online is the suggested solution from Symbian in this case - what a joke, as proven here where the users have smartphones and not PCs with an internet connection! This is going to be increasingly common, particularly in emerging markets. How can anyone run an open beta with this ridiculous signing system!

    Just ranting again, but if I do it often enough maybe someone will take notice.

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