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    Ovi and Dynamic (RPN) registration code server?

    Doe Ovi offer an Dynamic Registration Server like Handango?

    If my software needs to be unlocked by regcode will I have to
    manually email these out after sales?

    I can't seem to get any info on what kind of Model Ovi is adpoting,

    Dynamic? Pool?, Manual? Other? None?

    If anyone has any info please share!

    Paris.

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    Re: Ovi and Dynamic (RPN) registration code server?

    Hi,
    The terms and conditions prevent the sale of locked software.
    Ovi is NOT using Handgo business model

    If the user asks for a refund you will have to pay the full users cost. This include the 40% the telecoms supplier profit so this will cost 140%

    Therefore you cannot lock the software on Ovi, you can deliver a free demo.

    see the thread terms and condition discussed

    Such free trials for Content are permitted. However, if You want to collect fees after the free trial expires, You must collect all fees for the full version of Your Content through the Program.
    see thread refunds thread



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    Last edited by jimgilmour1; 2009-03-31 at 10:58. Reason: add "Ovi is NOT using Handgo business model!"

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    Re: Ovi and Dynamic (RPN) registration code server?

    Quote Originally Posted by jimgilmour1 View Post
    Hi,
    If the user asks for a refund you will have to pay the full users cost. This include the 40% the telecoms supplier profit so this will cost 140% Therefore you cannot lock the software on Ovi, you can deliver a free demo.
    Thanks Jim!

    What happens if my app isn't locked and the user requests a refund?

    Also, if apps cannot be locked - doesn't that present a potential piracy opportunity?

    I would have to trust that nobody has access to the full & unprotected .SIS applications
    held on the Ovi server. It would only take one leak to hit the internet then
    maybe 20% of potential sales could go bye bye

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    Re: Ovi and Dynamic (RPN) registration code server?

    Quote Originally Posted by parisn View Post
    Thanks Jim!

    What happens if my app isn't locked and the user requests a refund?
    you have to abide by distance selling rules

    Quote Originally Posted by parisn View Post
    Also, if apps cannot be locked - doesn't that present a potential piracy opportunity?
    Well yes thats why IMEI and DRM need to be used. The price of product can often determine the sales.We really need volume sales. Past history shows that releasing a demo confuses "piracy", they have difficulty finding the full version to potenially hack and pirate.

    Quote Originally Posted by parisn View Post
    I would have to trust that nobody has access to the full & unprotected .SIS applications held on the Ovi server.

    It would only take one leak to hit the internet then
    maybe 20% of potential sales could go bye bye
    Encryption for an app including .SIS which stops the curious, but the not determined. DRM may help because you "should not" be able to copy the DRM license.
    Good Luck
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    Re: Ovi and Dynamic (RPN) registration code server?

    Thanks Jim.
    I really appreciate these fast answers.
    Normally I have to wait days or weeks.
    I'm sure a lot of people will be reading this thread
    for the same reasons.

    >Well yes thats why IMEI and DRM need to be used.

    I'm slightly confused. I thought when you said
    "The terms and conditions prevent the sale of locked software."
    you meant we aren't allowed to lock our application in any way.

    What am I misinterpreting?

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    Hi,
    DRM is not easy to explain so I will once again consult one of the excellent articles on the Wiki, How to protect Flash content with DRM.

    and the discussion board Digital Rights Management & Content Downloading

    IMEI
    http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.ph...ng_IMEI_in_WRT

    http://discussion.forum.nokia.com/fo...d.php?t=128370

    http://discussion.forum.nokia.com/fo...ad.php?t=93035 Is IMEI legal

    Well I used the "search" box top right and used the term "IMEI" and DRM.

    "The terms and conditions prevent the sale of locked software."
    you meant we aren't allowed to lock our application in any way.
    Nope this means you cannot "disable" ie timeout after x days, need some personal "unlock" code, DRM is a standard code which prevents copying to other phones and does not disable the phone thats this is legitametly on.

    Good Luck

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    Re: Ovi and Dynamic (RPN) registration code server?

    Hi Jim, thank for the replys.

    I originally used the SEARCH[IMEI] option but I got 300 pages of
    IMEI related posts - 90% of which will be old posts that don't refer
    to Ovi because it is still new.
    (Some of the posts are probably mine

    Anyway, regardign 'locking'
    I think I need to hammer this out a little.

    I don't lock my app after some trial period expiration so that's ok.
    However, currently my full (must enter regcode) version does implement RPN registration by IMEI checking, which means I would have to issue a code to the purchaser after the purchase is made - before they can use it.

    So you may see why I am a little confused - I'm in a half-way situation.
    To recap my confusion:

    (1)
    >Therefore you cannot lock the software on Ovi,

    The full RPN version of my app is locked and can only be unlocked
    by the user giving me their IMEI so I can generate an unlock code for them.
    I fear this will mean I cannot upload it to Ovi without breaching their T&C.

    (2)
    >Well yes thats why IMEI and DRM need to be used.

    By that - are you suggesting that the app should only run on a specific phone with a specifc IMEI?
    If false, please clarify how.
    If true, then doesn't that contradict (1)?

    (3)
    >your comment (a)
    "..The terms and conditions prevent the sale of locked software."
    >your comment (b)
    "..this means you cannot "disable" ie timeout after x days, need some
    >personal "unlock" code,

    So if my full app doesen't disable after x days but is already locked
    at purchase time, does that mean my app will be acceptable?

    Sorry for all these questions (we'll get there in the end).

    Again, your hyper links on DRM and IMEI precede the release of Ovi.
    and I'm not sure whethere they are applicable to the Ovi T & C.

    To clarify my situation:

    My app requires a regcode generated 'by me' from the IMEI of the users device
    (which they will have to send to me after purchasign the software).

    If that is unacceptable, then the only option is to upload the app 'without' the
    IMEI lockout - which can lead to piracy. This is what brought us back full circle
    to your quote "Well yes thats why IMEI and DRM need to be used."

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    Re: Ovi and Dynamic (RPN) registration code server?

    Hi,
    This is all a bit deep for me.
    Maybe I should say some things first
    I DONT work for Nokia or Ovi, have no control or authority.

    Certainly I cannot make statements Reading my comments do not represent those of Nokia.

    I ONLY know whats is NORMALLY needed. If you read in "other places" you will find that Ovi is still waiting finalisation and T & C conditions do change!.

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    2)
    >Well yes thats why IMEI and DRM need to be used.

    By that - are you suggesting that the app should only run on a specific phone with a specifc IMEI?
    If false, please clarify how.
    If true, then doesn't that contradict (1)?
    Hmm!. You can licence as many as you feel, therefore
    one copy one phone seems to be the "usual" licence terms

    locking to IMEI occurs AFTER install there is no "golden answer"

    DRM is considered by many a hasssle but how else do you check/restrict use!!.

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    Post Re: Ovi and Dynamic (RPN) registration code server?

    >This is all a bit deep for me.

    I'm really sorry Jim

    I honestly thought you were the resident Ovi publising expert
    by all the fast & informative answers you were providing.

    I certainly didn't mean to back you into a corner!
    ( you can now stop 'hissing violently' and retract your claws )

    So I guess I need to find an Ovi rep, or post (again) to Ovi support
    and hope they get back to me as fast as you did!

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    Re: Ovi and Dynamic (RPN) registration code server?

    Quote Originally Posted by parisn View Post
    >This is all a bit deep for me.


    I honestly thought you were the resident Ovi publising expert
    by all the fast & informative answers you were providing.
    I will take that as a compliment!.

    This is because I have been here for three years, see my post count!.
    Most of the time this is because I know there to find it or wrote article about the Ovi subject. This is "missing" an article "the Ovi Developer's Story",could this be you!.

    Anyway to get back on topic

    "I" IMHO may have an answer, taken from the way EA games have licence games.

    The program is "not" disabled after a date.
    The program starts normally,and the program runs.When started an alarm event occurs. Some minutes, perhaps five, depending on session length a message appears asking you to register with IMEI. This does not stop the game running, just keeps popping up and becomes annoying and spoils the game.

    The prompt can be answered by agree to send a registration SMS text to a phone containing the IMEI number.

    On the receiving mobile plugged into a laptop with PC Suite running. The SMS text is read and answered with the licence code. So because this is running a program to answer the text you wont waste time sitting at the PC.


    So the program runs normally every time you start, this means its "NOT" disabled,but it becomes so annoying", you are persuaded to use the "free", for cost of a text, registration. You are paid via Ovi.

    If you are a "pirate/hacker" then timers are one of the most hardest thing to hack and take a lot of expertise.

    Looking at the T & C's Quote
    This is not intended to prevent distribution of free trial versions of Your Content with a later upsell option to obtain the full version of the Content. Such free trials for Content are permitted. However, if You want to collect fees after the free trial expires, You must collect all fees for the full version of Your Content through the Program. In this Agreement, "free" means there are no charges or fees of any kind for use of the Content. All fees received by You for Content distributed via the Program must be processed by Nokia.
    IMHO the above timer/alarm idea meets these requirements. Further this allows the testers of Ovi programs to install and enought time to establish the testing. The program description should state the requirement to send a text SMS and that the recieved text is installed using the "about...",where you display copyright, menu.

    Good Luck
    Jim

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    Re: Ovi and Dynamic (RPN) registration code server?

    no news on this topic?

    if not,
    may I upload my software on OVI now?
    do you know if they have found the way to protect our
    software from illegal downloads?

    thanks.

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    Re: Ovi and Dynamic (RPN) registration code server?

    Quote Originally Posted by sblantipodi View Post
    no news on this topic?

    if not,
    may I upload my software on OVI now?
    do you know if they have found the way to protect our
    software from illegal downloads?

    thanks.
    Ovi/Nokia never did respond, even after several emails.

    As such, I chose not to upload my software to Ovi.
    If they can't offer any reassurance to my concerns then
    I can only conclude they have no such protection.

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    Re: Ovi and Dynamic (RPN) registration code server?

    Ovi Store as it exists today supports no means for application registration/activation for publishers. All it provides is, for select content types, OMA DRM v1 forward-locking (as far as I know, not even OMA DRM v2 with either combined or separate delivery of the OMA rights object is supported).

    Whether that'll change some day, remains to be seen.

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