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    Unhappy Death of SDN++ and the BAK

    In recent days, I have noticed that the SDN++ pages (https://developer.symbian.com/sdnpp/) on the old Symbian developer website have been gradually disappearing, most notably those that provided access to the Binary Access Kits (BAK) and engineering documents that had previously been available to Platinum Partners.

    Developers are advised to visit the new SYmbian Foundation websiste instead, but the SF are not able to provide a BAK or BAK-equivalent, as they are only concerned with the future Symbian platform:

    http://developer.symbian.org/forum/s...ead.php?t=2492

    Members of the Symbian Foundation can access all of the source code and associated documentation for the new version of the platform, and there are various kits available to developers, but this does not help anyone trying to develop for existing Symbian-based platforms.

    The only information that I can find on this forum regarding BAKs states that "it has not been decided":

    http://discussion.forum.nokia.com/fo...d.php?t=166520

    Here are my questions:

    1) Is there a new equivalent of the Platinum Partner program that will give developers access to BAKs or BAK-equivalents, as well as the non-public documentation that goes with them?

    2) Can existing versions of the BAK that former Platinum Partners have previously downloaded still be used?

    3) Does this mean that the only way to develop non-trivial applications for curent Symbian-based devices is via the S60 API Partnering programme?

    Whatever the answers to these questions, the lack of any substantial official information on this topic is lamentable. Will it come as any surprise to find that mobile developers are abandoning Symbian/S60 in droves to develop software for other platforms, who have well-defined methods for professional develpers to gain access to the resources that they need?

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    Re: Death of SDN++ and the BAK

    You need to become a Symbian foundation member and this would have been communicated to the person in charge of your Symbian membership 6 months ago.

    The foundation now has all the platform code under source control and accessible to foundation members
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    Re: Death of SDN++ and the BAK

    Please note: the alternative to a BAK is now full source code access from the Symbian Foundation, but only for Symbian^2 and later releases. Nokia has not contributed previous versions of the platform to the Symbian Foundation, so Nokia still needs to provide these!

    Mark

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    Re: Death of SDN++ and the BAK

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul.Todd View Post
    You need to become a Symbian foundation member and this would have been communicated to the person in charge of your Symbian membership 6 months ago.

    The foundation now has all the platform code under source control and accessible to foundation members
    My company is a Foundation member and so we have full access to the source code and accompanying documentation. However, this does not enable us to build applications for current S60 devices, only for future Symbian^2 and later devices. I'm certain of this, because I recently asked the SF this very question:

    http://developer.symbian.org/forum/s...ead.php?t=2356

    I also happen to know that some documentation that was available via SDN++ is not included in the Symbian Foundation material, because I only recently (within the last two weeks) looked for it and found it on the SDN++ site in SDN Live... which is no longer available.

    Can someone from Nokia give us an official perspective on this? Assuming you aren't all away on vacation, that is :-)

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    Re: Death of SDN++ and the BAK

    I'm still looking for an answer to this question: how do former Symbian Partner Netywork members get access to resources such as the Binark Access Kit and the documentation that was previously made available via SDN++. The Symbian Foundation have made it clear that they have no mandate to provide these resources and when we asked our contacts at Forum Nokia Pro they advised use to raise the question here and assured us that it would be answered promptly. That was a month ago...

    Can someone from Nokia please give us an official perspective on this?

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    Re: Death of SDN++ and the BAK

    Well, though I do not work at Nokia, we can still FTP the latest DevKits+Bak's down.

    Also by joining Symbian Foundation you will have access to all the S60 source code including the devkit source, bak and S60 code bases.

    There is currently an legal issue which Jo Stichbury is working on to get the SDN++ resources such as white papers and kb etc transferd to the foundation
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    Re: Death of SDN++ and the BAK

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul.Todd View Post
    Also by joining Symbian Foundation you will have access to all the S60 source code including the devkit source, bak and S60 code bases.
    As I've said before, this is simply not true.

    We're already a Symbian Foundation member, so I know exactly what resources that makes available to us. While it does give us access to the source code that Nokia donated to the SF (which is nice) this cannot be used to develop for current S60 devices. For that we'd need equivalents of the Symbian 9.2, 9.3 and 9.4 BAKs - the SF only provides a PDK targetting Symbian^2. Again, the SF have specifically stated that this is the case in response to my question on this very topic:

    http://developer.symbian.org/forum/s...ead.php?t=2356

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    Re: Death of SDN++ and the BAK

    We've now been given a definitive answer to this question on the Symbian Foundation forum:

    And the answer is...

    You have to go through the API partnering process for the specific APIs you require. It is no longer possible to get complete BAKs.

    There are a number of reasons, involving tracking API usage and support, lack of a suitable package containing S60 APIs as well as the old Symbian OS ones, and legal issues relating to the distribution of BAKs.

    Sorry there isn't a better answer. On the bright side, from Symbian^2 onwards, you get full source to everything from us.

    Mark
    See the full thread for context:
    http://developer.symbian.org/forum/s...=8277#post8277

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    Re: Death of SDN++ and the BAK

    Which API's are you using that are totally broken between releases?

    The 9.4 devkit is functionally equivalent to the 5th edition and S^1 code lines.

    For backward compatability you might have to open support cases at Nokia to get the relevant files.
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