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    operator vs credit card payment methods

    Hello
    I want to publish my application to ovi store but my question now is witch payment method should I prefer.
    When I choose credit card method I will get 70% from application price.
    But what I don't know how much is it if the users pay by operator billing?

    Any experience?

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    Re: operator vs credit card payment methods

    It is suggested to use both options. There's no reason to limit your customer reach. Yet, some users may experience difficulties paying with credit cards at Ovi.

    best regards

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    Re: operator vs credit card payment methods

    Quote Originally Posted by powerpixels View Post
    It is suggested to use both options. There's no reason to limit your customer reach. Yet, some users may experience difficulties paying with credit cards at Ovi.

    best regards

    Dusan
    I don't want to limit some user groups.
    But I would like to know how much money operator get from user payments(from ovi).
    Is there some kind of table that ovi provide to publishers. Let say O2 UK, Orange France.

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    Re: operator vs credit card payment methods

    Hi xlazom00 ,

    Unfortunately Ovi does not have this information because of the fact that the value varies and changes all the time. However, approximately 40-50% of the sales will be of operator fees.

    Best Regards,
    Ovi Publishing Support
    Last edited by oviJude; 2010-04-07 at 20:39. Reason: The correct figure is 50% not 60%

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    Re: operator vs credit card payment methods

    Quote Originally Posted by OviBecca View Post
    Hi xlazom00 ,

    Unfortunately Ovi does not have this information because of the fact that the value varies and changes all the time. However, approximately 40-60% of the sales will be of operator fees.

    Best Regards,
    Ovi Publishing Support

    It is true that with operator billing the operator share varies per operator, per country and per pricepoint/pricerange (or payment method) and sometimes also per content type.

    However, once you have the agreement/contract in place for specific operators, in specific countries and specific pricepoints, the operator cut does not vary often at all (it stays the same for the duration of the contract, and can remain fixed for several years, even).

    However, Nokia has not published the information for its contracts with each operator in each country and each pricepoint (whether the agreement is directly with an operator, or through an aggregator).

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    Re: operator vs credit card payment methods

    Quote Originally Posted by OviBecca View Post
    Hi xlazom00 ,

    Unfortunately Ovi does not have this information because of the fact that the value varies and changes all the time. However, approximately 40-60% of the sales will be of operator fees.

    Best Regards,
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    woow
    Let' say I will sell game for 1 euro => operator get 60%(worste case) => 0.4 euro => ovi store get 30% => 0.28 euro

    Ok worst case scenario I get quarter ( 28% ), best case half ( 42% )

    As ovi store are you promoting card payment? That we developers can get more money for our application ??

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    Re: operator vs credit card payment methods

    in the end, users do prefer the easiest option for them, thus I would assume that most users would use the operator billing when it is available, as well as, some would propably never use cradit cards as payments, thus even if you are getting lower share on the total selling price, you are getting more sales and thus more money.

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    Re: operator vs credit card payment methods

    Quite right.

    There are lots of phone users without any kind of credit or even debit cards. Paying by cash or through their phone bill is the only option for them to pay anything. They still like to get new ringtones, wallpapers, themes, applications, games, etc., for their phones.

    There are also a lot of credit card holders among phone users, who refuse to use their credit card for phone based content purchases. (For some strange reason some people think that using a credit card with their phone is somehow less secure than using it on a public WLAN and a PC while sitting in a café.)

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    Re: operator vs credit card payment methods

    But you can't say to all developers that Ovi store will get 30%.
    As we can see Ovi and his friends(mobile operators) get 70% in worst case
    And I'm not sure if the sales rate compensate 70%
    Do you have some statistics ovi staff ?
    That we will see 10 times more sales rate with operator billing?

    Back to math
    App cost 1euro
    ovi get 30%
    operators get 60% in worst case

    How much we realy get from ovi for our app ???
    Is it 10% or 28% ????

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    Re: operator vs credit card payment methods

    Quote Originally Posted by xlazom00 View Post
    But you can't say to all developers that Ovi store will get 30%.
    You should check the docs and what they say on how the 30% is calculated, basically it is after the deductions like operator charges.

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    Re: operator vs credit card payment methods

    Hi Xlazom00,

    You are correct. The worst case scenario is that operator receives 50% of sales, which leaves you with 50%. Ovi takes 30% of the 50%.

    I hope that clarifies the calculations.

    Best Regards,
    Ovi Publisher Support
    Last edited by oviJude; 2010-04-07 at 20:38. Reason: The correct figure should be maximum 50% not 60%

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    Re: operator vs credit card payment methods

    Thx for you answer
    Do you have as ovi some strategy analyze that we as developers can expect double sales rate when we choose operator billing??????
    If I compare 28% worst case to 70% credit card billing.

    Ovi add operator billing as strategy advantage in compare to other app stores.

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    Re: operator vs credit card payment methods

    Quote Originally Posted by OviBecca View Post
    Hi Xlazom00,

    You are correct. The worst case scenario is that operator receives 60% of sales, which leaves you with 40%. Ovi takes 30% of the 40% and publisher gets the rest. This would equate to 28%. The best case scenario is that operator receives 40% thereby leaves us with the 60%. Ovi takes 30% of the 60% which leaves publisher with 42%.

    I hope that clarifies the calculations.

    Best Regards,
    Ovi Publisher Support
    Can you please confirm that the operator may receive 60%?
    According to all documents, the operator will receive a max of 50% at the €1 price point.

    Has Nokia moved the goal posts?


    How are we supposed to plan if this is indeed the case? Some developers have partners who must be paid and we agree terms based on the terms published by Ovi.

    First of all, no-one tells us that we must wait for 180 days (plus one month) to receive payments from Operators. Now, the percentage that operators receive has increased to 60%.

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    Re: operator vs credit card payment methods

    Quote Originally Posted by spol View Post
    Can you please confirm that the operator may receive 60%?
    According to all documents, the operator will receive a max of 50% at the €1 price point.

    Has Nokia moved the goal posts?


    How are we supposed to plan if this is indeed the case? Some developers have partners who must be paid and we agree terms based on the terms published by Ovi.

    First of all, no-one tells us that we must wait for 180 days (plus one month) to receive payments from Operators. Now, the percentage that operators receive has increased to 60%.
    Is answer from ovi staff. What else do you need?

    But you can set up credit card payment only

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    Re: operator vs credit card payment methods

    Quote Originally Posted by xlazom00 View Post

    But you can set up credit card payment only

    No you can't turn off operator billing.

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