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    Angry Nokia 6101 Locked 2 TMobile Midlet can't access internet...

    Hi,

    We have a verisign code signing certificate, works well on MOST devices we have run into until now.

    On the Nokia Series 40 6101 With TMobile and 5.99 TZones, our midlet cannot access the internet. Now before I get a barrage of useless comments about TZones and the blocking of port 80 I'd like to point out that I am aware of TMobiles behaviours with different Devices and http connections, i.e. midlet works on a branded unlocked Nokia 6010 from TMobile using sim card but does not work on branded locked Nokia 6101 using same sim card.

    on the 6101, their is a setting if your application is selected, under application->options stating "App. Access" but it is greyed out, when you click it, you get an info message "Not available for this application". I tried signing the application with the Verisign cert, but when trying to download, i get an error "certificate not on phone or sim"

    i read through the forums, that this may be caused by lack of CA certificate on device, for instance device lists "Verisign class 3 code signing 2001 CA" as being installed, where the intermediate in our certificate is "Verisign class 3 code signing 2004 CA". So this might be an issue, I tried manually installing the CA certs, but cannot get the devices browser to download them (might be IIS, even though I set the correct mime type) so this failed.

    i read through the forums, that you may be able to overcome the "app. access" feature being greyed out, by manually installing the application using infrared and pc suite, installation worked, but still have same issue of "app. access" being disabled. so i manually copied the jar and jad over using infrared, the jad file is not a recognized file type on device, so is useless to try and run/install it (BTW also tried this approach with CA certs, with same results) but you can install the jar, though after install, app. access is still disabled

    when you run the application, and it attempts to connect to internet, the system throws an info message of "Application access set to not allowed". In the Nokia manual for this device, they state that "app. access" needs to be set or modified for an application to access the internet, but what is the use, if the user is not allowed to change it. Thus basically in the devices current state, a java app will run, but never be allowed to access the internet.

    i browsed more forums, reading all about tweaking the access points, which helped some people with the 6101, but did not help me, nor how could it, think about it, the applications permissions are unchangeable, how would adding an access point, overcome the issue with the java midlet not even being able to open the http connection, before, or as you attempt to open the connection using code, the user is prompted to allow disallow access, but this, and the cr$ppy samsung, dont even prompt the user, they just automatically throw a security exception (yes the network code is on a different thread, even experimented with same thread, just in case, to no avail) so none of the access point settings helped. if anyone reads this, that has a nokia 6101 that was originally branded as TMobile and has a midlet where the "app. access" is not greyed out, i would love to hear it, as well as how it was accomplished.

    back to the signing, when i signed my app, and manually copied to device, i.e. no OTA, when attempting to run, i get certificate not valid error. I tried signing with no permissions, with permissions as optional, with permissions as both optional and required, to no avail.

    i tried an unsigned version, with no permissions, as well as with the http permission as required, hoping this might enable the "app. access" but did not work.

    so does anyone know, how to sign an midlet to be installed on a tmobile branded device, has anyone ever succeded? if yes, did you manually install the CA certificates, or were they already installed?

    Is it true to assume that no midlet can be signed for tmobile, unless it is JavaVerified signed? If this is true, then what the heck, as the 6101 is one of the lead devices to be tested on, for JavaVerified signing, how can you build you application correctly, so it will run bug free on 6101, if you cant even test on it.

    Anyone out there with 6101 devices please post your results to this little questionaire.

    1. Carrier: XXX
    2. DataPlan: XXX
    3. Geo. Location: XXX
    4. Model: 6101
    5. Firmware: i.e. get it by entering *#0000#, please state date, version, and RM if any
    6. Do Midlets you installed, acces the internet, with no error? yes/No
    7. Do Midlets you installed, under options, have the "app. access" greyed out. Yes/No
    8. When running one of these MIDlets, are you prompted to allow the Midlet to access the internet? Yes/No

    Does anyone know any magic codes, to enable the java midlet access to internet, or jad attributes, etc.

    I have also read, that just being javaverified, may not help, as some manufacturers and carriers, give and or take away various permissions at their will. It would seriously suck to get javaverified, just to find out that it still does not give the app acces to the internet.

    Any help, information, comments, feedback, results to questions, would be greatly appreciated.

    PS: If anyone has a javaverified signed app that makes httpconnections, i would love to download, and test it on 6101, to see what the outcome is, to see if java verified really works on this device. also if others have run into the same issue, with tmobile and their app working on some devices, but not on other tmobile nokia devices, or a signed app working on some devices, but not other tmobile devices, please list them

    Sincerely,
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    Re: Nokia 6101 Locked 2 TMobile Midlet can't access internet...

    Help?

    Please!

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    Re: Nokia 6101 Locked 2 TMobile Midlet can't access internet...

    still no takers? has anyone had luck with the 6101 or 6102, I called nokia, but of course they were no use, they blamed it on tmobile, though it also happens on cingular.

    I think nokia screwed up, or it is a "feature", yeah right
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    Have you bought a support incident within Nokia Forum PRO or was this the usual device support channel?

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    Re: Nokia 6101 Locked 2 TMobile Midlet can't access internet...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Glass
    still no takers? has anyone had luck with the 6101 or 6102, I called nokia, but of course they were no use, they blamed it on tmobile, though it also happens on cingular.

    I think nokia screwed up, or it is a "feature", yeah right
    Yes, there are intentionally different security policies on device variants. If the variant has the UTI root, then going through Java Verified would help for most carriers. However some carriers have their own certifications and there is nothing we can do about that. It appears that this is the case that you are seeing for these variants on T-Mobile USA and maybe Cingular.

    Sorry I couldn't get a better answer but it is what it is.

    Ron

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    Re: Nokia 6101 Locked 2 TMobile Midlet can't access internet...

    Traud, no, just going through this channel, a friend(programmer) also tried it out on 6101 and 6102, with no luck. So then i realised, it was probably not something in my code.

    I dont want to buy a ticket, as Rons posts stated, those devienets they are throwing in, are supposedly being requested by carrier, so the heresay/rumour has it on the web.

    It is just completely ignorant though, that you call TMobile, and they have no idea what you are talking about! How can they sell devices, where one, older model works fine with HTTP, then newer models don't, and not even have the foresight to tell there tech support about it, or list it in the specs.
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    Re: Nokia 6101 Locked 2 TMobile Midlet can't access internet...

    Thanks for the info Ron,

    Should'nt this be listed in the device details, because as to be MIDP 2.0 compliant, I thought Suns docs stated that you (manufacturer) have to allow http, with proper permissions

    Or is that the issue, you are allowing it, but TMobile and Cingular is not.

    Can you tell me if an unbranded model (6101 or 6102) allows access to the internet by MIDlets, or allows user to change "App" or "Web" access Midlet suite permissions?

    Is there any documentation where I or other developers, could have found this out beforehand, it just completely bytes, when you start running into devices as such.

    The documentation put out by Nokia, does not state an issue. it almost seems, that TMobile, is giving Nokia a black eye, in that Nokia, puts out this nice device, perfect for developers, TMobile gets it, screws it all up by locking it down, the customer gets it, realises he/she cannot run any Internet MIDlets on it, returns it, and Nokia ships out one less device the next week, all because of TMobile, or to be more precise, TMobile or Cingular, or other carriers.

    I think a sticky thread should be created, pertaining to these devices, so developers, customers, etc. could find out quickly that the device does not support this feature, or that API, due to a carrier, not due to Nokia

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    Re: Nokia 6101 Locked 2 TMobile Midlet can't access internet...

    The current S60 phones can be seen at http://www.s60.com/products
    There are Samsung models, but not those ones.

    Also Nokia 6101 is not a S60 phone, but it is a Series 40 phone based on Nokia proprietary OS (not Symbian)

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    Re: Nokia 6101 Locked 2 TMobile Midlet can't access internet...

    Heh, sadly I too have this nifty little phone (nokia 6101) from T-Mobile and tried to use OperaMini and Flurrymail and yet also get these same problems with not being able to alter the 'App. Access' since it's completely greyed out.

    So let me understand this, this is the case because these applications don't have the certificate? If so then would there be a way to uhh... lets say... put a certificate on there?

    And the 6101's app. access is not an issue for anyone who actually have brought one that was non-branded?

    Guess T-Mobile don't want me to use their 5.99 internet service unless I get a more expensive phone from them -_-

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    Re: Nokia 6101 Locked 2 TMobile Midlet can't access internet...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mo Java
    Heh, sadly I too have this nifty little phone (nokia 6101) from T-Mobile and tried to use OperaMini and Flurrymail and yet also get these same problems with not being able to alter the 'App. Access' since it's completely greyed out.

    ditto the symptoms on my device, as well as cingular 6102, irritating, yes, no java will work.

    If anyone, someday has one that works, that was sold by tmobile or cingular, post here please, as well as your firmware version

    i.e. get it by *#0000#


    So let me understand this, this is the case because these applications don't have the certificate? If so then would there be a way to uhh... lets say... put a certificate on there?

    hartti is the guru...but I dont think it is that, I think the app access button, is somehow locked.

    Certificate, just generally has to do with issues for code signing, correct hartti?

    Although, tmobile and cingular, maybe had nokia twaek the OS for them, so if you were to install a javaverified app, it might work.

    Hartti?


    And the 6101's app. access is not an issue for anyone who actually have brought one that was non-branded?

    I dont know if "the nokia employee" got to try it on anything other than a 6102, but seems to be true.

    Guess T-Mobile don't want me to use their 5.99 internet service unless I get a more expensive phone from them
    -_-
    yup, though keep in mind, you can still use TMobile fabulous browser!
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    Re: Nokia 6101 Locked 2 TMobile Midlet can't access internet...

    Hello,

    i am also having the same problem. I downloaded aplication from wap.slotland.com and can not connect to login over internet.

    *********Application access is set to not allowed.**********

    Tried talking to T-mobile. They have no idea what I am talking about(!!??)
    They told me that it is not they fault , but NOKIA's.

    Before I talk to them again, I would like to know, if someone with Nokia 6101, but with carrier other then T-mobile, has the same probblem or not.


    Anyone knows?


    Please help!?


    Henry

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    Re: Nokia 6101 Locked 2 TMobile Midlet can't access internet...

    I gave up on this and ended up buying a Sony Ericsson W810i from Cingular and unlocking and then flashing it to generic firmware. I can't say I regret it. The W810i has got to be one of the best devices I've ever owned - possibly the best. Since this is a Nokia forum, I'll spare you guys the details.

    Best of luck with your Nokia 6101/6103's.

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    Re: Nokia 6101 Locked 2 TMobile Midlet can't access internet...

    lietuva, if your phone is T-Mobile branded 6101, then the issue here is that T-Mobile does not allow Java MIDlets to connect to network, unless it has been signed by T-Mobile. This is because they want to use different security domain policy that is recommended by the MIDP specification.

    On generic phone (not branded to certain operators), the network access for unisigned and trusted 3rd party MIDlets is allowed (although by default the user is asked for permission)

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    Re: Nokia 6101 Locked 2 TMobile Midlet can't access internet...

    I too am suffering from the crippled firmware. This is complete and total bullshit.

    I recently traded my Motorola V330 for the Nokia 6103 after the V330's display went out. Of course I tried installing Google Maps, Opera Mini, and a few other applications, only to find out that not a single one of them were being permitted to access the internet. I can't begin to explain how much this pisses me off... and then to find out that it wasn't always like this, which implies this was a proactive choice on T-Mobile's part to cripple the originaly perfectly-working firmware... I mean wtf?

    Alright, enough ranting. Would it be possible to flash the phone with an older firmware? Jason, do you know what firmware version was last uncrippled?

    What does it take to flash a phone? I'm willing to purchase additional hardware. I'm also tempted to just go buy an unbranded SonyEricsson or another Motorola. Does anyone know of a solution?

    Thanks in advance to everyone who is willing to offer useful information!


    1. Carrier: T-Mobile USA
    2. DataPlan: T-MobileWeb (wap.voicestream.com)
    3. Geo. Location: Auburn, AL
    4. Model: 6103
    5. Firmware: 09-02-06, 04.62, RM-162
    6. Do Midlets you installed, acces the internet, with no error? No
    7. Do Midlets you installed, under options, have the "app. access" greyed out. Yes
    8. When running one of these MIDlets, are you prompted to allow the Midlet to access the internet? No

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    A Nokia Service Center can and do flash phones with a different operator version firmware. However this costs money and some might reject your request.

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